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Question Please tell me why you believe that The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are not all one in God -- why do you not believe in the Holy Trinity that other churches believe in?

Response In our 13 Articles of Faith, the 1st one states that "We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost" -- in other words, the Trinity. We accept the doctrine that they are separate and distinct personages. We believe that God is not incomprehensible, immaterial, and without body, parts or passion. It is agreed that there is no way that we can fully comprehend God in our finite and mortal state. There is, though, enough scriptural support in the Bible that we may progressively increase our knowledge and understanding of Him. In fact, our eternal life depends upon our knowing Him. Jesus declared, "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

We need to learn what the true nature and personalities of the Godhead or Trinity really are before we can discuss whether The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are one or three separate beings.

First, it will be arguable to state our opinion on the Trinity based on just the Bible because since there are so many different religions, all claiming to believe in the Bible, there are just about as many different views on the Trinity. This is why I'm glad there is another testament, namely, The Book of Mormon that clarifies this. Having stated that however, there are scriptures in the Bible that I would like to point out but the irony of using only the Bible for this specific topic is that there are contradicting statements within the Bible itself. Any Biblical scholar can agree to this fact. Bible students today know that the Bible has not come down to us in its perfect and original appearance in the manuscripts. Scribes left out words and phrases, just as we do at times in word processing, missing words, phrases, etc. At times the scribes even added or interpreted according to their own opinions. These things are quite generally understood.  Therefore we find errors and contradictions. For instance, in the Old Testament, you'll find: Exodus 33:20, "And he said, thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." Yet in the same chapter, Verse 11, it reads: "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

Let's turn our attention for a moment to the nature of God. In Genesis 1:26 we read: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . . " Now, the same author, Moses, 5 chapters later using the same rhetoric states (Genesis 5:3): "And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and beget [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth." This explains how God the Father and His son Jehovah can in fact be in the same likeness, just as you and me. The words "Image" and "Likeness" mean the same thing regarding the relationship from Adam to Seth as it does with God to Adam. It would be inconsistent to say that the scriptures mean one thing when speaking of the Lord creating in his likeness, but a very different thing when speaking of Adam begetting in his likeness.

It has been commonly accepted in a lot of religions that God is "a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions," and this applies to the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost as one spirit. There are three scriptures that the world depends upon to support this. Two of them from John and the third from Paul.

1. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. --John 1:18.

2. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. --1 John 4:12.

3. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. --1 Timothy 1:17.

One thing's for certain, truth does not contradict truth. We must accept passages of scripture with this in mind. There are so many other scriptures that clearly say that men have seen God and talked with him face to face.  "Enoch walked with God." "The Lord appeared to Abraham in the plains of Mamre." As I stated above, there are contradictions in the Bible so something must have happened to the translation of John.  He himself saw God, and talked with him face to face - Moses did and many other prophets.

If you don't accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, you will have a hard time with this next statement. The two scriptures of John stated above were corrected by the Lord in a revelation to Joseph Smith. And no man has seen God at any time, except he hath borne record of the Son; for except it is through him no man can be saved.--John 1:18. No man hath seen God at any time, except them who believe. --1 John 4:12. With this translation, there is complete consistency. They agree with other scripture and get rid of all contradictions. So, "God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27) It's plainly written and often repeated in the Bible. Why does the world insist that these words don't mean what they say? How can the world find it easy to believe that we are created in some other image, and not like the body or features of our Lord?

When our Lord rose from the tomb he appeared to his disciples. Luke records that they thought they were seeing a spirit, but Jesus spoke to them, saying, "Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

They began to embrace him. They saw the nail impressions in his hands. When he left and returned to his Father, he took that same pierced body with him. Then, two heavenly messengers stood by and said, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." He lives. He is not without body, parts, or passions. How can anyone who believes that Jesus Christ has now, since his crucifixion, become an essence, an invisible Spirit, without body, without parts, without passions? What was the purpose of his resurrection?  Was it only to make it possible for us to be raised from the dead? Has Jesus Christ been absorbed into the great incomprehensible body of God, which is everywhere, yet nowhere? Did he lose his body and individuality?  If so, how did Jesus get rid of his body after his resurrection? Did he just "shed" his body? To my knowledge there is nowhere in the scriptures where it says this.

Let's now turn to the issue of "all in one" or "separate" distinct individuals. Some people construed that Christ and his Father are one person from John 14:10: "And that I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one." It is understandable that this verse can confuse someone when left isolated to interpret. Jesus and his Father are not one person, but merely that they are one in knowledge, in truth, in wisdom, in understanding, and in purpose; just as Jesus himself counseled his disciples to be one with him, and to be in him, that he might be in them. (John 17:21) Christ was constantly addressing his Father in prayer. He taught his disciples to pray to the Father, not to him. The seventeenth chapter of John is evidence of this and is so touching. Everyone,  (Christ included) was born as the sons of God in the spirit; one person (Christ only) was born as the Son of God in this mortal world. He is the "Only Begotten" in the flesh. God was his Father; Mary was his mother. His Father was an immortal man; his mother was a mortal woman.  He is the Son of God in the same literal, full, and complete sense in which he is the son of Mary. There is nothing symbolic or figurative about it.  He is God's Almighty Son and as such is distinguished from the Father in the same way any son is a separate person from his father.

The scriptures state that there are not "three Eternals" but" one Eternal." It further confuses the reader that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, must be one God then. Yes they are, in purpose as stated above, but the scriptures are definitely clear that the three members of the Godhead are separate and distinct from each other; each with a definite mission to perform. For instance, the Savior told his apostles that when he went away he would send them the Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost.

I use an analogy about "One Godhead" that sometimes makes it a little clearer to understand this "Allison" theory. Suppose for a moment that you and I had the opportunity to gain all knowledge of the universe. We would know all things about everything if you can even imagine such an astonishing thing. There would be no doubt in our minds what events would take place under any circumstance that would present itself. We would know how the planets would rotate, how they would interact with each other's gravitational pull, how the environments on the respective planets would act, etc. All of these things we would know in harmony because both you and I have all knowledge of such things. We would be of one mind!

So it is with the individual members of the Godhead. We believe that The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost are omniscient or in other words, ones having complete or unlimited knowledge of all things; a fullness of knowledge, truth, and power. Each is a God. They work as one yet are separate individuals who are perfect. This separate distinction from one another is proven by the sacred records of God's dealings with man. One example was when the Savior was baptized. John recognized the Holy Ghost in the sign of a dove while Christ stood before him in the tabernacle of flesh, and they heard the voice of the Father acknowledging the son, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:17)

So you see, we do in fact believe in the Trinity, but it is the clarification of the separate and distinct individuals within the Trinity that separates us from others.

Sincerely,

Donny Osmond


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